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| Jenny Simpson is a three-time Olympian and the 2016 Olympic Bronze Medalist at 1,500 meters. She has represented the United States at five World Championships from 2007 to 2015, winning a Gold Medal in 2011 and a Silver Medal in 2013, both at 1,500 meters. Jenny is a ten-time U.S. Champion in the 1,500 meters (2014, 2015, 2016), 5,000 meters (2013), 3,000 meter steeplechase (2007, 2009), mile indoors (2011), 1,500m indoors (2012) and 3,000m indoors (2011, 2012). She was the overall 2014 Diamond League Champion at 1,500m and has won five Diamond League races. In January, 2017 Jenny anchored the World Record Distance Medley Relay indoors with a 1,600m in 4:27.6 as they ran the 10:40.3 WR. She is the third fastest American woman in history in the 1,500m with her PR of 3:57.22. Simpson set the American Record in the 3000 meter steeplechase and then broke it multiple times, finishing in fifth place at the 2009 World Championships in her 9:12.50 PR. She also set the American Record at two miles indoors in 2015 at 9:18.35. Jenny is five-time champion of the Fifth Avenue Mile. She competed for the University of Colorado and is a seven-time All-American (four in outdoor track, two in cross country, one indoor) and a 13-time All-Big 12 honoree (nine track, four cross country). In cross country she was NCAA runner-up in 2006 and 2007 and finished second at the 2014 U.S. Championships. Jenny is a three-time NCAA steeplechase champion (2006, 2008, 2009) and won the NCAA 3,000m indoors in 2009. She is a five-time 4A Florida State High School champion on the track and three-time state champ in cross country. Her personal best times include: 800m – 2:00.45; 1500m – 3:57.22; mile – 4:22.18; 3000m – 8:29.58; 3000m steeplechase – 9:12.50 and 5000m – 14:56.26. Jenny owns collegiate records in the indoor mile (4:25.91), 3k (8:42.03) and the 5k (15:01.70) as well as the outdoor 1,500m (3:59.90) and 5k (15:07.64). She is a professional athlete with New Balance. Simpson won the 2014 Jackie Joyner-Kersee Award as the USA’s outstanding track and field female athlete and the inaugural Bowerman Award in 2009. She is a 2009 political science and economics graduate of the University of Colorado. Jenny and her husband, Jason, reside in Boulder, Colorado. |
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| GCR: | When we last did a lengthy interview back in early 2010 you were just beginning your professional running career. Could you have imagined that seven years later you would have a full complement of Gold, Silver and Bronze medals from the World Championships and Olympics and in a different event, the 1,500 meters when you had been focusing on the steeplechase for several years? |
| JS | I know I think so much about my time and the way that fate has twisted and turned in my career. I am just so fortunate and lucky I’ve had a really fun ride so far. And I hope it’s not close to being over. |
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| GCR: | I’d like to get your take on highlights from your seven years as a pro, but first let’s focus two on more recent events. Though you had raced to Gold and Silver medals at the World Championships over 1,500 meters, how different and special is it to have earned the Bronze Medal on the world stage in Rio last year, and this time it was at the Olympics? |
| JS | I didn’t really understand fully, or appreciate I guess, how different it would be until before I went through it. The Olympics is on a really different scale. There are performances in my life of which I am more proud. But honestly, the stage of the Olympics isn’t comparable to any other accomplishment in my career. Just experiencing and hearing from so many people from throughout my life that were watching and were involved and the magnitude of it which has connected so many people, the web of people in my life and the connections I’ve had, was just really astounding. |
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| GCR: | I’d like to ask several questions beginning at the starting line in Rio and then through the homestretch. I watched the race tape a few times and you looked very relaxed and confident on the Olympic starting line. What was your race plan for various scenarios and how confident were you in your training and race readiness? |
| JS | The good thing is that I’ve raced these women a lot. I’ve raced the women in that race many, many times. The 2015 World Championships had a very similar lineup as well. So I felt confident that I had a little bit of an edge in knowing what to expect from them. I just thought I knew what people would do. I knew that we would go out jogging and that at some point with 800 meters to go or 1,000 meters to go one of the top runners would lose their patience and make a jump. I’m fortunate that having thought that would be the case that the race played out exactly that way. The truth is that if they go out hard from the gun you just run as hard as you can. That’s the simplest race plan. It’s a lot more strategic and harder to do well when it gets really gamey like it did in the Olympic final. But I felt confident that I had an idea of what other peoples’ strategies would be based on their racing personalities in the past. Then one of the things that I think really led to me to being as calm and confident as I felt was that the season had been really hard for me to prepare for. I had been through some major battles just to make it to the final in the first place. I remember that night looking at my coach and looking at my husband and just telling them I am going to run my butt off and whatever happens I’m going to be really proud of. I really feel like I had come to terms and reckoned with that thought that if I ran the best race that I possibly had and I came in fourth that I would hold my head high and be proud of that. I think that going in with that mentality really gave me a lot of ease. Instead of having all of this pressure I just thought, ‘Let’s go see what we can do.’ |
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| GCR: | Just like you thought, Genzebe Dibaba really accelerated in the middle of the race, Faith Kipyegon tried her best to go with her and coming into the final turn you were in fifth place. It was a real battle as Sifan Hassan and you both passed Laura Muir and then you pulled up onto Hassan’s shoulder. How hard were you working and, when a Bronze Medal was within reach, was there any way you were going to be denied? |
| JS | It was incredible that last 200 meters and I remember it so well. I remember us passing Laura and knowing who she was that this was the unfortunate result of going out too hard. We’ve all seen it in races and, unfortunately, Laura has to experience that on the world stage. It’s not an uncommon story. So that’s what was going through my mind as we passed her. Then I so much remember that last 150 meters because I stayed right behind Hassan on the curve knowing that she was starting to struggle. I was really being able to read her body language and knew that I was going to be able to get around her in the last hundred meters. I really saved it for the last one hundred meters because I didn’t want to incite a lot of fight from anyone else with a lot more left to run. I was getting close to my limit as well so I kind of waited until we came off of the turn and went by her |
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| GCR: | Your kick down the home stretch secured the Bronze Medal and, as Dibaba and Faith Kipyegon faded up front, you were only two meters behind Dibaba for the Silver Medal. Could you take us through your thoughts during the last one hundred meters of the race? |
| JS | I looked up and saw Dibaba was getting closer and closer. That was the most surprising thing about the last one hundred meters as I expected those two to really battle it out and sprint against each other for the Gold. What ended up happening is that Dibaba was really starting to struggle and was coming backwards. I was so fixated on that and fixated on possibly getting a Silver Medal. Honestly, with eighty meters to go, I thought I was going to win the Silver Medal. I really did. I never thought for a second about the people behind me so that was a real gift. |
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| GCR: | Later when you analyzed your race and watched the tape was there any thought that if you had been a bit closer with 200 meters to go or went a little earlier that a medal of a different color may have been more of a possibility? |
| JS | Honestly, no, because I was able to use people around me all the way. And the last 800 meters I can in good conscience say I ran as hard as I think I possibly could. And so I crossed the finish line and like everyone else I had nothing left. It is very tempting to think, ‘Aw, if I had gone a little sooner!’ I don’t know. I very carefully got my way up to third place and I don’t know if I’m willing to say that having done anything any differently I would have had a better outcome. |
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| GCR: | Emma Coburn, your former Colorado teammate is one of your training partners and you also travel together to races on the Diamond League circuit. In addition to you earning the first Olympic Medal in the 1,500 meters by a U.S. woman, a really cool outcome is that Emma earned the Bronze Medal in the steeplechase which was the first Olympic Medal in the steeplechase by a U.S. woman. How much extra did it mean for you both after all of the training and travelling you did together, for you both to win one for the U.S.? |
| JS | It’s meant so much. She’s a real lifelong friend of mine and we’ve been through a lot together. We’ve watched each other grow up in the sport as well. To go to the Olympics and achieve the same medal status was just really, really fun. And it’s made the two of us able to have this similar experience and to be in it together. It isn’t that one of us got a medal and the other didn’t or one of us got a Gold or Silver and the other got a Bronze. We get to experience everything together kind of on the same playing field. It’s been really fun for both of us. |
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| GCR: | It was a lot of fun watching this past weekend on television as Emma, you and two other relay teammates at the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix meet in Boston raced and you anchored the U.S. distance medley team to an indoor World Record. How exciting is it to share this with your three fellow athletes and how tough is it to click off those eight laps when you are out in front all alone and not in peak racing form? |
| JS | It was pretty hard to get revved up for this race. I live in Colorado and there is snow on the ground so we’re training in icy weather. Being able to run a mile race and to do it, like you said, all alone with no real incentive or carrot in front of me was a bit of a task. But I approached this race differently than a normal race. Normally we’re on the starting line and I’m going to run hard and see what I can do. Instead this is a very strategic run for me. I knew exactly what the math was. I knew exactly what I needed to run every lap. I ran very conservatively at the front of the race because I wanted to protect the record and not go out too hard and blow up. The approach was different and I think that was a big part in having such a great result in the end. |
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| GCR: | Let’s go back through some of the big points in your professional running career. First, you won the Gold Medal at the 2011 World Championships in the 1,500 meters. The race was similar to the 2016 Olympics in that it went out slowly, but there was the fall of Morgan Uceny and Hellen Obiri about 2:40 into the race right in front of you and then the field was very closely bunched with you in sixth place with 200 meters to go and coming off of the final turn you were racing for medals. How exciting was that? |
| JS | That was so exciting because it was better than I expected. I trained my butt off and you do train your butt off every year. Of course you train with the hope that you can win a medal. So there wasn’t a moment in the race where I was thinking I shouldn’t win. I mean, I’m always thinking I should win. Why else do you train? Yet at the same time there is a bit of surprise in having achieved that level so quickly in my career, so early in my career. I definitely would have expected to pay my dues in that event for several years before having the fortune to be up in the medals. But when I compare 2011 and 2016, I definitely am a different woman and a different racer. In 2011 during the last hundred meters I kept thinking, ‘Run for your life because any second everyone’s going to pass you.’ I remember in the last hundred meters being so surprised and so confused why no one was passing me and kept thinking this in the last forty meters. In 2016 it was much more that I was a woman on a mission. I’m one of the best. I’ve been one of the best. I deserve a medal. I’m really going to run to earn that. So there were definitely two different athletes on that starting line. |
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| GCR: | I watched the tape a couple of times and afterward it is interesting to see your emotions change from apparent shock with wide eyes and open mouth, then a big smile, then a tired face with hands on hips. Next you are shaking your head, blowing kisses and have your hands over your head. You looked like you wanted to cry and smile at the same time. Then you are jumping up and down for joy, getting pictures holding the flag behind you and hugging the Daegu mascot. What was that few minutes like and does it get any better than the moments after that finish? |
| JS | I remember thinking, ‘Did I misunderstand? Is this a round? Is this really the final? Or did I run half a lap too short? This can’t possibly be the end of the race and me be first.’ I was trying to reconcile it in my mind and be sure I hadn’t made any mistakes and then sure enough someone comes over with the American flag and those are the moments it is descending on you and becoming more real. So, oh my gosh, I just had the whole gamut of emotions from confusion to making sure I’m not celebrating something that’s not true and then it was really raw and pure joy. |
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| GCR: | Running is a sport of highs and lows and after the elation of that Gold Medal, in 2012 you had a sub-par season, didn’t make the Olympic final and ended up changing coaches back to your collegiate coaches, Mark Wetmore and Heather Burroughs. What did you learn from that 2012 season that has helped you in the years since then and what were the major factors in your coaching switch? |
| JS | The year 2012 was tough because I was World Champion and I got a lot of flack for winning it. I didn’t get a lot of respect because many people thought it was a fluke that I won in a not so particularly fast time. People were saying I had never won a major race like this before and that it would never happen again. I think I did a good job dealing with the pressure and dealing with the expectations. And yet I am the athlete that I am and I had a lot to learn in the 1,500 meters and I had a lot still to develop in that event. So 2012 was hard with all of those challenges. What I learned from it was that it is hard to have two phenomenal years in a row. So, when you’re on the top enjoy it because you don’t know how many times in your career you’re going to have those moments. By the same token, sometimes things aren’t going perfectly and I remember sitting with my sponsors in the New Balance house watching the 1,500 meter final in the 2012 Olympics and seeming kind of embarrassed and disappointed that I didn’t make the final. But I had to remind myself to not let this be my identity or to knock me off course. This was only one moment in time and I didn’t know if the next mountaintop I climbed might be the tallest. |
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| GCR: | You bounced back in 2013, though at the World Championships the race played out differently than most of your championship races. You went to the front early before Abeba Aregawi pulled up on you with maybe 650 meters to go, stayed close to you and then finally moved slightly ahead with 250 meters to go. You came through with the Silver Medal and how nice was it to validate your Gold Medal and how cool was the two-woman duel you had in that race? |
| JS | Aregawi and I had been really battling all year long. She’s the only woman in the world that I didn’t beat that year. I really felt that one of the top three medals belonged to me that day and I ran like it. I’m really proud of how I ran so aggressively. Maybe aggressively isn’t the right word, but with a lot of confidence. I didn’t plan on taking the lead from the gun but I was positioned in lane one. That’s a really difficult lane and is the toughest lane to draw because everyone comes in collapsing in on you. The choice is to take the lead or to get jostled around a lot. So I remember finding myself in the lead and thinking, ‘Don’t make this a bad thing. Make it a good thing.’ And so I took control of the race and I’m proud of how I ran that race. But again it just comes down to understanding and realizing that the sport is going to have its ups and downs. 2011 was a huge up and 2012 was a disappointment, but after that I returned to my college coaches, Mark Wetmore and Heather Burroughs, with the singular goal in my first year with them of being back in the medals. I told them, ‘I believe I can do it. I deserve it. I know how to do it. I’ve done it before and I want to show everyone that 2011 wasn’t a fluke. We pulled it off and it was a really gratifying feeling. |
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| GCR: | In years without an Olympics or World Championships athletes usually try to run fast and sometimes try different events. In 2014 you were second at the U.S. Cross Country Championships, on the track at 1,500 meters ran two PRs and won Diamond League races in Stockholm and Zurich and then won two road miles including defending your Fifth Avenue Mile title. When you look at your years so far as a pro runner, was 2014 your most consistent year to date? |
| JS | In 2014 the goals really shifted. I got the second medal at Worlds in 2013 to validate that I’m here to stay and so I really wanted to see how fast I could be. And so we did some fun things. Early on in the season I did some cross country and that was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. The cross country national championships were here in Boulder so it was a lot of fun to run at home. I wanted to focus on getting faster and being better. With that as a focus I remember talking to my coaches and how a lot of people talk about the off year when there is no major championship and that’s kind of the year where you can relax a little bit. But I wanted to do the opposite. I wanted to see how fast I could run and I wanted to work harder than ever. In 2014 and then going into 2015 those were the best years in terms of being the fittest and having the most consistent years of my career. And I won the Diamond league too! |
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| GCR: | In 2015 you ran some great races and personal best times, but at the World Championships your shoe was stepped on and you had to run the last 600 meters or so with one shoe. How disappointing was that and were you ready to medal again if you hadn’t lost that shoe? |
| JS | I was really, really ready. I still believe to this day that at the final of that World Championship I was in the best shape I’ve ever been. For all of the races in my career, that is the best prepared I’ve ever been in my life. It was a real disappointment to have that happen. Like I said, you have ups and downs throughout your career like that day and what happened in that race was just the worst combination of the ups and downs. I was the most prepared I have ever been. I was in the best shape of my life. I had an enormous amount of confidence coming off of such a strong 2014. And it was just a fluke. Somebody stepped on my shoe and ripped the heel of my shoe off and I wasn’t able to keep it on. What are you going to do? You’ve got to just do what the universe throws at you some times and make the best of it. I did try to run for about 300 meters with my shoe kind of halfway on and then coming off. I spent a lot of time thinking about how that race kind of played out and I did my best. I really did my best. I think of how there have been other people who have been able to run well without a shoe on a track before, but for whatever reason that just wasn’t the case for me. After I kicked the shoe off I ran two or three hundred meters without it pretty well and then started to slip back. I think it was too long to go for my foot as it was really torn up by the end of the race. It was so unfortunate. |
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| GCR: | Consistency is a big goal for athletes and over the past ten years you have won ten U.S. Championships, though your win at the 2016 Olympic Trials was actually your first Olympic Trials Gold after third place finishes in 2008 and 2012. How exciting was it to win your first Olympic Trials and does it ever get old pulling on the USA jersey? |
| JS | Honestly, the Olympic Trials is the only race in the Olympic year or the only race ever on the calendar where first, second and third are all first place. It’s fun to win the Olympic Trials, but I can truly, truly say it doesn’t matter who is first, second or third. The whole goal for me personally at the Trials is to make the team. If I make the team then everything I came there to do has been accomplished. But it certainly was a lot of fun to win it and to show a certain amount of confidence and strength going into the Rio Games. I think that’s important – having some good performances especially since I struggled to get going early in the year. Shanghai didn’t go well. Pre was not at the same level that I had been able to race there in the past. Coming back from an injury it was a big confidence booster to win the Trials. But other than that it is mostly just about making the team. |
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| GCR: | For the last five years you have ended your season by winning the Fifth Avenue Mile in New York City. How competitive and fun is this road mile and do you see it on your schedule in upcoming years? |
| JS | I love the Fifth Avenue Mile and it has been a consistent part of my season over the past five or six years or so. It really captured my heart and my attention early in my career. After schlepping all over the world, and doing all of these crazy events, and trying to do the best I can with what feels like no one watching a lot of times, it just feels right to finish out my season here in the United States. It’s also one of the few races where my family members and loved ones can come and watch. I really enjoy them being with me in New York City when the race is over. And then since I’ve gone on to win it so many times, I’ve got a love for it in that sense too. With the combination of the New York Road Runners and my family being able to come to the race and me being able to end my season in the United States, I just couldn’t think of a better combination of reasons to run the race. Until this past year it got even better when my sponsor, New Balance, picked it up and started to sponsor the race and literally every part of the family of my running career gathered together at the Fifth Avenue Mile. |
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| GCR: | Though you ended your official season last year at Fifth Avenue, your husband, Jason, of six years won the 2016 Disney Wine and Dine Half Marathon while you were second among women. How important to you is it to have a husband who is also an excellent distance runner, to share some training runs with and that you can support when he races? |
| JS | It is so much fun. We were doing a short, little trip with our family. It gets harder and harder as we get older and my siblings are having children. It gets much harder for us to get together. We organized the trip for us all to spend strictly family time together in Florida. We still had to get a long run in no matter what, so Jason and I ran the race. It was a lot of fun for us to do our long run that way and for Jason to get a good race in. But also, like you said, it speaks to how much Jason and I support each other. He is often doing an enormous amount of work with no recognition as he is in the background. I like to think that the greatest way I can express my appreciation to him is to turn around and be of good support to him the few times a year that he races. And so I love doing that a couple of times a year. |
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| GCR: | Let’s look forward and discuss your racing goals first for 2017. Other than readiness to win the U.S. Championship and compete for medals at Worlds, due you have any secondary goals as far as times you are aiming to run or races to go for a mini-peak? |
| JS | We talk about how in 2012 in London at the Olympics I didn’t make the final. We are returning to that stadium and are going to run the World Championships at the same venue. So there is little of that sadness inside me that really wants to return to that stadium and have a great outing. So I’m really looking forward to the championships, not just for another chance to run the World Championships, but for another chance to take on London and take on that stadium and maybe earn back a little bit of what I lost in 2012. |
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| GCR: | The following year in 2018 is like 2014, the once-every-four-years without an Olympics or World Championships and, as we mentioned when we talked about your 2014 racing, most athletes aim to run fast or try different events. Also, some women of your age think about family plans. Can you enlighten or give any hints as to your hopeful focus for 2018? And please note I was trying to say that gently. |
| JS | (Laughing) That’s sweet. Jason and I really want a family someday but I think we are committed through the next Olympics. We, and I say ‘we’ because he does an enormous amount of work in his commitment to being the best husband and the best support possible. We really want to make it through at least the next Olympics. I’m getting to the age where I have to start thinking about it, but we think we can make it to 2020. If we don’t we will be fine. But one of the things, when we start thinking about age, or I am starting to realize, is that the end of my career is probably closer than the beginning of my career. This has a lot to do with why I was excited about doing the distance medley relay this year. I am starting to do some things that I want to do before my career is over. I don’t know exactly what those things will be, if it’s running cross country or a major indoor season. I haven’t run on a World relay team. There is now a relay race at the World Cross Country Championships. So there are all kinds of things in our sport that are so fun and so inclusive. It has so many different ways to really test your limits. I want to make sure I do some of those fun events before my career is over. |
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| GCR: | Speaking of having fun, I was thinking back to thirteen years ago in January of 2004 when you were still in high school and we lined up next to each other at the start of the Park Avenue 5k in Winter Park, Florida. You and some of your Oviedo High School teammates wore ‘Team Bandit’ homemade shirts and were having such a fun time with plenty of laughter. Training and racing is hard work, but are you still having fun and do you love your job? |
| JS | I still really, really love it. I do have bumps where I think, ‘Oh my God is this worth it? There’s another snow day. There’s ice. This is hard.’ Or I can be going through an injury. I certainly have longer than one day stretches of those and they are real. This past winter was a little bit tough to be training through and then also to be getting ready for the distance medley relay. But just a few weeks before the DMR I was feeling like a kid again, just giddy, excited about racing and being in a new uniform. All of that is so fun for me. That’s a great example actually. I get to Boston and we each get a new bag with our racing kit in it. And I’m so excited! I’m so like a kid at Christmas. I get to open it up and see what it looks like and try it on and do a little fashion show in front of the mirror. That kind of stuff is really fun for me. As long as that is fun and as long as I’m still getting nervous for races, I’m going to keep at it. And, since we are both from the same area, are you still in touch with Jon and Betsy Hughes of Track Shack? |
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| GCR: | Yes, I am and last Wednesday they had a fun run at Track Shack sponsored by Hoka One One and both Leo Manzano and Bart Yasso were there. I went down for the fun run. |
| JS | Oh that is so cool. One of these days when my career is winding down a bit I’ll have to make it to a whole lot more of those events. It will be a lot of fun to see people at those fun days more often. |
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| GCR: | And I still tell people about the time you joined the group of high school runners I was leading out at Wekiva State Park and there was the huge bear on the trail. |
| JS | I love telling people I live in Colorado and the only time I ever ran into a bear in my career was in Florida. |
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| GCR: | We were out on that run and you had just won the steeplechase at NCAAs your freshman year in college and all the high school kids were excited you were out for the run. Then there was the bear on the trail and it was more exciting than having you with the running group. |
| JS | That’s right – exactly. |
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| GCR: | For a final question, in 2010 when I asked you about the future and the next decade you told me you were ‘excited about not knowing how things will play out’ and that you would ‘pour my heart out with God’s guidance to be successful at whatever I do.’ How blessed have you been and how excited are you about the future? |
| JS | I was walking into the call room at the Rio Olympic Games and the last USA person was there to check our stuff before we go into the last call room. I remember looking at her and saying ‘All I want tonight is to feel God’s favor.’ That might be the theme to my entire career when it wraps up. Over and over I have had the joy of feeling God’s favor on my life and on my career and on the goals for which I have been aspiring. Sometimes I feel undeserving of how fortunate I’ve been over the years, how often I’ve been blessed in my career and then beyond that in my life in general. I love that I said that to you in 2010 about not wanting to know about how it all turns out. Oh, that’s so true! We try so often to plan out our lives and plan out our career and are so meticulous, but there is so much excitement and anticipation in the mystery of our life. Just like you said at the top of this interview, if I had known then all of the things I would accomplish until now, I would have never believed it. I never, ever would have believed it. The last seven years have just been a total blast. And it makes me excited because I believe the next seven years will be even better. |
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| | Inside Stuff |
| Favorite ice cream flavor | Mint chocolate chip |
| Pump up pre-race music | There is a band called ‘Enter the Worship Circle’ |
| Favorite Saturday Night Live Character | It would have to be Matt Foley |
| Last book you read | ‘Berlin Noir.’ It’s a detective novel |
| Chore you hate doing | Any house cleaning. I hate cleaning the house |
| Top mentor in your life | My dad |
| Something you learned this week | That is so good. I want to think of something good because in all of the interviews in my whole life I’ve never been asked that question. I learned that elastic in cold weather actually does deteriorate faster. It’s scientific and I didn’t know that |
| What would you name your autobiography | ‘Best Practices.’ I like that title because there is kind of a business slant of all of the best things you can learn from other people. Everyone talks about our races and we learn so much and we experience so much in out career of practice so I think I would talk a lot about different practices |
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